Ligre wrote:Actually, Critters ARE immune to the Sleep effect from Sleeping Gas. They are NOT immune, however, to the Sleep effect from Most Dust. This is yet another annoying bug that needs fixing.
That's just bizarre. The intuitive way to implement Resilient would be to have it apply as soon as a 'sleep', 'stun', or 'polymorph' debuff fades. As far as I know, there is no distinction between the stun debuff applied by e.g. Crystal Prison and Geyser: there is only one tooltip for the 'stunned' debuff applied by these abilities, it's [url=http://www.wowhead.com/petability=927]here[/url] (and it's also the same as the stuns applied by the interrupt moves, e.g. Horn Attack and Kick). Similarly, the 'asleep' debuff applied by Sleeping Gas and Moth Dust [url=http://www.wowhead.com/petability=498]is the same[/url]. So clearly the game is applying Resilient differently, based on the ability that applies the stun/sleep/poly. Ie every stun/sleep/poly ability needs to have its own tag that tells the game to apply Resilient after the CC fades. That creates all kinds of opportunity for individual abilities to slip through the cracks.
If anyone is really interested, there's actually 3 kinds of 'stunned' (most stuns fall into one category, but there's a separate category for self-stuns (e.g. Ghostly Bite), and Amber Prison has its own category), and 2 kinds of 'asleep' (1 turn sleeps, and 2 turn sleeps such as Food Coma)
http://www.wowhead.com/search?q=stunned#petabilities
http://www.wowhead.com/search?q=asleep#petabilities
Kpb321 wrote:If I'm not mistaken the Resilience buff only gets applied when sleep actually wears off naturally. If you breaking it early by dealing damage you get no resilience and no protection from CC... I'd imagine it's the same thing with sleeping gas so if you are just spamming the ability your opponent will probably never get resilience and you could sleep them multiple times in a row
That's interesting. That's almost certainly why we see Sleeping Gas chain more than Frog Kiss: if you spam Sleeping Gas, then each hit removes the old 'asleep' debuff before Resilient can be applied. So it's not necessary to get two procs in a row. Whereas Polymorph is not broken by damage. So Frog Kiss will not remove Polymorphed when it deals damage, so then the Polymorph debuff will always still be present at the end of the turn, and it will apply Resilient if you proc once and then fail to proc on the following turn. So the only way to chain Frog Kiss is to get two procs back-to-back.
Jerebear wrote:The resilience bug probably happens with stuns too, but harder to test since they all have cooldowns.
Yes, it definitely happens with stuns: this is easiest to test with a delayed ability like Geyser or Elementium Bolt, since you can swap in a pet with e.g. Crystal Prison before the Bolt lands. And similarly for Frog Kiss, it definitely can chain, but getting chains is less likely than with Sleeping Gas, so we tend to see it less. I'm 95% convinced now that the Sleep bug and Resilient bug are really the same thing.