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I run 90% of the Pandaria trainers almost every day with my safari hat, and once a week with a greater pet treat. Since the beast of fable are spread so far apart, grant little or no exp, and there are so many to complete for each quest. Are they really worth it? It takes me roughly an hour or just under it to kill the trainers that are worth it in Pandaria. It would add prob another 30 mins to kill all the beast of fable in order to get the lesser pet treats for the buff. This to me seems like a waste of time since in that 30 min time I could kill more wild pets and get more exp then if I had boosted the 10 trainers the extra 25%. On top of the fact that the beast of fable are super boring fights, and offer very little except the lesser pet treat. I rarely battle wild pets for 2-3 hours a week, I use the trainers as my main source of pet leveling. Am I missing out or do most people skip them as well?

Unless you need one of the four pandas for free(or to sell perhaps), or care about the extra shots at a battle-stone, then it's not worth it.

For me it is completely worth it to do 2-3 times per week since you get the 3x 25% buff foods per set of BoF dailies. I'm a leveller though, so it is important to me. If you don't care about levelling or the panda pets, then it probably isn't a big deal.

I personally haven't done them in about 3 months. Still haven't sold all of my pandas, and I will have pet food left over after I'm done levelling everything.

How I look at it is, it gives you 25% more from the Pandaria tamer dailies whenever you have the 25% pet EXP buff up. If you do all 11 Pandaria tamers with a carry pet in an hour, having that buff up gives you 15 extra minutes of pet EXP value/saved leveling time. That means that for every time you do the full set of Beasts of Fable, you are saving yourself 45 minutes. Therefore, as long as you can get it done in 45 minutes or less, it's worth doing as long as you are still leveling pets and will use the EXP biscuits. Personally, I can get it done in 20-25 minutes, so it saves almost twice as much time as I spend doing it, making it worth the time investment.

I find it useful to do them when I do the other trainers, only the one in Dread is really out of the way during the pet circuit I run. I have a surplus of the biscuits, but the pandas sell well on Illidan horde server, where I am slowly making money from pets to buy the big ones I still need, like Tuskarr Kite and Viscous Horror (got my Rocket Chicken a few days ago), and the stones that drop allow me to rarify pets to sell there as well. For me, it's all about the extras to send to Illidan to make money, especially since mounts are next when I get my last 2 pets.

The have a much higher chance at flawless stones. It's nearly impossible to turn in all 3 quests and not get at least one stone.

I primarily do mine for a chance at battle-stones and the +exp pet treats. Although I don't need the pandas, they do sell for a little bit of gold here and there, or I gift them to friends and guildies.

I find them to be worth it. They're no problem to kill and it's easy to set up a route that includes them along with the other Pandaria tamers. They provide an increased chance at stones, and the leveling buff food is great to have on hand.

I sell the pandas or use them as little prizes for guildies (rolling off for pets after a boss kill, for example). But the pandas are sort of irrelevant. Either way, Beasts of Fable are worth doing.

Well, those quests give EXP if you turn them in on one of your toons that haven't reached level 90 yet, so, yeah, I still do them.

Kring wrote:The have a much higher chance at flawless stones. It's nearly impossible to turn in all 3 quests and not get at least one stone.

Eh, this is wrong. "nearly impossible"? I routinely do the and receive zero stones and/or pandas.

Having said that, my personal choice to do them, or not depends on what time of the week it is. I can make 2 pet biscuits span 3 days of the trainers with my teams/routes, but barely. So adding in the BoF dailies on those days is counter productive.

Of course, if I happen to be low on the hotdogs, I will just do the BoF separately on another character. Granted, it's not optimal, but I want to maximize the usage of those wonderful biscuits. I love watching a pet jump 13 levels in a single battle

Given that the experience curve is quadratic, in a lot of cases you could be missing out on EXP by doing that though. It's really better to have all buffs up (hat, 50% treat, 25% treat, 10% dmf top hat) and use that on all your level 10/11 pets since they get the peak amount of EXP. leaving out the treat has you lose out on a lot of bonus exp that other levels won't give (they give less exp so the 25% gives less bonus on other levels). The more you can milk on your level 10-11's early on, the faster you will level all of your pets overall. You aren't really maximizing your 50% treats and are instead missing out on extra exp that you could have gotten otherwise, especially as your pets move further away from level 10/11

Jerebear wrote:Given that the experience curve is quadratic, in a lot of cases you could be missing out on EXP by doing that though. It's really better to have all buffs up (hat, 50% treat, 25% treat, 10% dmf top hat) and use that on all your level 10/11 pets since they get the peak amount of EXP. leaving out the treat has you lose out on a lot of bonus exp that other levels won't give (they give less exp so the 25% gives less bonus on other levels). The more you can milk on your level 10-11's early on, the faster you will level all of your pets overall. You aren't really maximizing your 50% treats and are instead missing out on extra exp that you could have gotten otherwise, especially as your pets move further away from level 10/11

Er, that is exactly what I am doing. Treat + Biscuit + hat (dmf not currently up). Guess that was not clear, and my lowest level pet is actually 11, so I am even hitting the sweet spot while doing it.

Besides, you are looking at this in a vacuum. There are intangible variables, like the fact that doing trainers is pretty much the only way I can bring myself to level pets. So, even if it is not optimal, I will continue to do it this way; it motivates me TO level pets.

That's fine. Each person does what works best for them. I had noted you said you were trying to maximize your 50% biscuits, so I was only mentioning that incase you didn't realize it.

Badpathing wrote:

Kring wrote:The have a much higher chance at flawless stones. It's nearly impossible to turn in all 3 quests and not get at least one stone.

Eh, this is wrong. "nearly impossible"? I routinely do the and receive zero stones and/or pandas.

According to wowhead, one quests has a chance of 3% for every flawless stone. That's a chance of 30% to contain any stone. So yes, you're right, that's a 34% chance that all 3 quests don't reward a stone.

But that's still 2 stones in 3 days.

Kring wrote:

Badpathing wrote:

Kring wrote:The have a much higher chance at flawless stones. It's nearly impossible to turn in all 3 quests and not get at least one stone.

Eh, this is wrong. "nearly impossible"? I routinely do the and receive zero stones and/or pandas.

According to wowhead, one quests has a chance of 3% for every flawless stone. That's a chance of 30% to contain any stone. So yes, you're right, that's a 34% chance that all 3 quests don't reward a stone.

But that's still 2 stones in 3 days.

All those individual stone chances aren't cumulative... It's just 3% chance per bag that you get a stone... So the chance per bag that you do not get a stone is 97%...

Correct me if i'm wrong, but that's how i see how those dropchances work...

Ruststorm wrote:Correct me if i'm wrong, but that's how i see how those dropchances work...

No, you're wrong. A 3% drop chance for a Flawless Flying Battle-Stone on wowhead means that on average 3 out of 100 bags contain a Flawless Flying Battle-Stone, not any stone. If you're farming for flying stones, you have a 3% chance to succeed. But of you want any stone you have a 30% chance to get one.

Take a loot table of a dungeon boss. Anzu drops 5 blue items with something like a 20% drop chance per item. That doesn't mean that you get one of these items with a 20% chance. It means you have a 100% chance on a blue item, but only a 20% chance for each individual item. (And the mount in the loot table on wowhead must be a bug...)

The Fabled Pandaren Pet Supplies have a 3% chance for every stone or a 30% chance to contain any stone.
The Pandaren Spirit Pet Supplies have only a 0.5% chance for every stone or a 5% chance to contain any stone.
The Sack of Pet Supplies have a 0.8% chance for every stone or a 8% chance to contain any stone.

Kring wrote:Take a loot table of a dungeon boss. Anzu drops 5 blue items with something like a 20% drop chance per item. That doesn't mean that you get one of these items with a 20% chance. It means you have a 100% chance on a blue item, but only a 20% chance for each individual item. (And the mount in the loot table on wowhead must be a bug...).

That looks like a valid explanation.

actually it's 1 - (97/100)^10 which is about 27% of getting a stone.

your flimsy logic falls apart if you assume there are 35 different pet types, then you'd have 100% chance of getting a stone.

and the comparison to a dungeon boss dropping a blue is completely unrelated. the blue is 100% drop

Adezero wrote:actually it's 1 - (97/100)^10 which is about 27% of getting a stone.

your flimsy logic falls apart if you assume there are 35 different pet types, then you'd have 100% chance of getting a stone.

and the comparison to a dungeon boss dropping a blue is completely unrelated. the blue is 100% drop

I think if you try a little harder, you can eek just a BIT more condescension into that.